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thaks for explaining so basically its a matter of choice, and it doesnt matter if I prefer 'and', 'or' and I use them in my code. so I can stick to these if I want and they wont cause any problems
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"...digging a ditch..." comment was because of this comment https://codeforces.me/blog/entry/64438?#comment-483948 , it was rude and i felt that i atleast deserved a proper reply at that time

i was discussinging and presenting my opinion but this comment was a let down from the problem setter
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imagine this case you are new to programming, you give this question a try, you get the logic and are able to write the code correctly now you submit it and get TLE, you are confused and think that maybe there is some problem with logic and u think and think but couldnt find aany, you get very frustrated and after the contest you realise that a simple fastio line could have gotten you AC you were right all along from the beginning

how would you feel, would you be excited that you learned about fastio or angry about some fastio ruining your verdict, would this incident be motivating for you to pursue coding further

what i suggest something like "fastio recommended" in the question of "educational round" and this new programmer learns about it and as well implements it in the first time and gets his code accepted, wont this be more motivating for him
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imagine this case you are new to programming, you give this question a try, you get the logic and are able to write the code correctly now you submit it and get tle, you are confused and think that maybe there is some problem with logic and u think and think but couldnt find aany, you get very frustated and after the contest you realise that a simple fastio line could have gotten you AC you were right all along from the beginning

how would you feel, would you be excited that you learned about fastio or angry about some fastio ruining your verdict, would this incident be motivating for you to pursue coding further

what i suggest something like "fastio recommended" in the question of "educational round" and this new programmer learns about it and as well implements it in the first time and gets his code accepted, wont this be more motivating for him
-8

exactly, you also agree that time limit was to avoid 'heavily optimized q2 solution' getting passed so i was suggesting that you could have added something like "fastio recommended" to this "educational round" and voila problem solved

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just add this line before taking input in main()

std::ios::sync_with_stdio(false),cin.tie(0),cout.tie(0);
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ya, agreed but this is like purposely diging a ditch for someone to fall so that they be careful the next time
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ya, agreed but this is like purposely digging a ditch for someone to fall so that they be careful the next time
+5

doesnt that defeat the purpose of educationals vs regular rounds

i mean these are for 'The goal is rather to practice and to educate, than to compete'(as said by MikeMirzayanov), also these are oriented towards second division and newer coders,

so i think mentioning it in the question would me more motivating for the newer folk rather than them finding out that they had been doing the correct thing from the beginning but just got TLE bcoz of some damned fastio

btw thanks for replying rationally rather than just some arrogant, "No, it shouldn't."
-11

well if using fastio can change the verdict of the exact same code then i think it is necessary to mention that

because fastio is not a differentiating factor when comparing a person who has the right algo, right code, right implementation... with someone with neither of these
-24

thats not fair,

it should be mentioned so that newer programmers get a fair chance of solving. aim of the question is to test the logic(and implementation).

i am open to** valid** criticism/discussion about my opinion but at least you should discuss about it not ignore this awoo
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lets see what awoo replies to this

-24

I am not alone many others have also faced this issue
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awoo Check out these two submissions 48241968 48242640 The only difference is that i have commented the fast input line in one of them without fast input it gives TLE in tc7 while gives AC with fast input I dont think thats a wise way to judge a question these question must check the logic not fast input and you could have written in the question that fast input may be necessary
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a
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awoo https://codeforces.me/contest/1101/submission/48242640 https://codeforces.me/contest/1101/submission/48241968 the only difference is fast input line i dont think thats how you decide the outcome of a question
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metoo
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ultraStackDeveloper just comment out the fast input and submit again